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Dear All Malaysians,
I totally agree with what was said and published. Our enforcers have their ways to do their things. What actually does naked ear squats for? As a matter of facts, it is the most humane way to check for non appearnt objects hidden in one bodies. If this was not perform properly, it would endanger the lives of policemen, other arrestees and so forth.
China was even more brutal in Tinamen Square! USA invaded the privacy of Iraq without valid reasons! Can the naked ear squat performed in front of a woman police officer be against the law in Malaysia? Criminal Procedure Code provides such powers, in order to safe guard the interest of police officers and other arrestees or detainees. Please evaluate properly before giving any aggravating comments which will tarnish our country and PDRM specifically.
Way to GO! Be proud of our PDRM. Although they are not the best but at least they are far more better than the worse.
For the records, I’m neither in any BN parties nor a government servant.
Comment by seequa — Thursday, 01-12-2005 @ 21: 18.44
Dear Seequa,
‘Strip Search: It’s not Legal, Says Lawyer’ on the Malaysian Bar Council webpage (http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/content/view/2079/2/):
‘Stripping a woman detainee in a police lock-up and making her do ear squats in the nude may be “standard operating procedure” to the police, but is it legal?...”No,” said human rights lawyers. “Where in the Lock-up Rules 1953 does it say that a body cavity search can be done? “While the police claim that such searches are part of their standard operating procedures (SOPs), they must realise that their SOPs are not the law of the land. Any SOP has to be based on valid laws,” said lawyer Amer Hamzah Arshad…Deputy Inspector-General of Police Datuk Seri Musa Hassan was reported as saying that all detainees were required to strip and be searched before being sent to the lock-up. The police could also ask detainees to do squats.Amer Hamzah disagreed: “The mere fact that the police had conducted such searches previously as part of their SOPs does not make such searches legal, if in the first place there is no law to allow such searches.”
Comment by Lee Wang Yen — Thursday, 01-12-2005 @ 21: 29.11
Dear Seequa,
Please read the forum on police abuse on Malaysian Bar. If you think that our police are very good, most probably you haven’t taken a close enough look at how they do things. But these lawyers have first-hand experiences with them and they will provide you with a more accurate picture. You can access the forum here:
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&func=view&catid=7&id=428#428
The Communist China might be more brutal…but that’s irrelevant. You cannot rape a woman and say that there are worse rapists. Surely there are rapists who are a hundred times worse, but that’s no excuse at all.
We should be proud of our PDRM? Because at least they are better than China, Namibia, Iraq, Nazi….? Of course there are people who are worse than our PDRM, but that’s irrelevant to the fact that they (our PDRM) are very bad (rampant corruption [come on, don’t tell me you have not experience this.], inefficiency, abuse of power [how do you explain Anwar’s black eye?], cover up, lies [Noh Omar’s blatant lie in denying his clear statement]).
Comment by Lee Wang Yen — Thursday, 01-12-2005 @ 21: 48.40
Noh Diam lar…......
U have no standing at all….. Just put ur foot and hands in ur mouth DONE!
Comment by Ky — Thursday, 01-12-2005 @ 23: 00.19
there must be some other ways to check whether a person is hiding something in her private parts or not…get them checked by a qualified medical doctor for example, that would be less embarassing than stripping infront of a police officer.
frankly speaking, i’m ashamed of our PDRM. Noh Omar has the courage to say that only 1% of PDRM is corrupted. That’s only the tip of an iceberg, Mr. Noh Omar. An insane person won’t admit he’s insane right? So a corrupted police won’t say he’s corrupted lar.
Comment by Jimmie Cho — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 00: 33.37
Dear Seequa,
Even the Royal Commission points out the many problems and shortcomings of our PDRM and makes 125 recommendations for improvement! Yet you say we should be proud of them. Such a blind loyalty and incredible ability to dodge reality are part of the reasons why our government continues to be corrupt to the core.
Lyndie England poked fun at the naked Iraqi prisoner of war by pointing at his genital. Did Bush say, ‘I dare say that everything was done according to rules and she did nothing wrong’, or ‘this is our “standard operating procedures”?’ NO! The Bush administration condemned the abuse and Lyndie England is now in jail. But the PJ policewoman was defended by DIGP and Noh Omar. Violation of Human rights happens everywhere. But what terrifies me is that, while others condemn and punish it, our leaders are defending it in the name of (their immoral and illegal)’SOPs’ and maintaining police morale.
Comment by Lee Wang Yen — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 00: 43.15
Well, Noh Omar has been proven to be a [deleted] who has no balls to even admit to his own folly. Listen to the recordings (freely available on the internet) and you will hear him say unmistakenly “balek lah” with a “you don’t like it you can f@*%K off attitute!” What kind of people is Pak Lah putting in as Ministers? This Noh Omar is suppose to be a lawyer and a Minister of Malaysia? From his actions and comments, he does not appear to be a man with sufficient intelligence to be in charge of a public lavatory, let alone the Malaysian Police. Perhaps this fellow has a different political agenda and methinks the PM had better watch his back before he suffers another “et tu Brutus” situation!
As for Seequa, yes, there are worse countries with a brutish police force that has no understanding of human rights and human dignity but would he like to migrate to countries like Zimbabwe, Uzbeckistan or to Azerbaijan? I fully agree that modern society needs a police force but that institution must also be accountable for their actions, carry out their duties and responsibilities with respect for the rights of the people that they serve and must not practise or condone the practise of extra-legal
methods and procedures.
And yes, I definitely support the call for the resignation of the DIGP (who seems to be after the whistle-blower rather than the wrong-doer) and this idiotic Minister of Malaysia, Noh Omar who seems not to understand exactly what the Government’s direction is!
Comment by kopimelaka — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 02: 29.27
Teresa, first of all, thank you for highlighting this subject to the rakyat else we would forever be in the dark.
I am sad and dissapointed with the remark made by Noh Omar on how the public and media should not put too much spotlight on the alleged police abuses as it is demoralising to the force.
What about the interest of the rakyat? It could very well be one of us who are exposed to such degrading treatment!!
Isn’t that demoralising to the rakyat too? Are we supposed to just shut up and let the police have it’s way for the sake of not demoralising the force?
Instead of blindly backing the police on this matter, Noh Omar should be more objective, investigate this matter and bring this perpetrator(s) to book so that this “black sheeps” are removed from the force.
I cannot believe such comments could come from our Deputy Internal Minister!
Comment by normal joe — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 09: 39.16
Dear seequa,
I normally dont post feedback on the internet, but this time i will make an exception for you. I think you should open your mind more, listen, read and think again. Our enforcement officer always brush aside cases like this, citing isolated incidents, but dont u think they are too many isolated incidents to brush aside. If you read the newspaper every day, you can see how inefficent our police force are, not to mention abuse, corruption and inefficiency in solving crimes and protecting citizen, which should be their main roles.
Just because they are worst people, should we condone such acts of injustice? Would u say such a thing if it happens to your love ones or yourself? I do agree with u on incident such as what happen in Iraq, Tianamen Square and a hosts of other problems that plague our world today. That doesnt mean we should condone things that are not right, just because these are done by MALAYSIAN enforcement officers.
I am a MALAYSIAN, and proud to be one, but ashamed of what our police officers have done. Remember, our PM’s quote, we want to be a nation of cemerlang, terbilang and gemilang. Is this how our enforcement officer do to achieve this.
You must understand that Malaysia is a democratic country, and nobody is above the law, that includes our enforcement officers. But from what is happenning, clearly none of them seems to care whether they are doing things according to the law, even though so many lawyers have stated that it is not even in the provision of our law. Who is ruling the country, the law or the police force? If people have their ways of doing things, this would lead to abuse and lawlessness. We should support PM’s vision of a more transparent government, not the opposite.
Lastly, we should always compare ourselves with the best, and not the worst. If we do, we are no different from them and we have no right to comment on what other does. At all cost, truth and rightheous should prevail. Think again.
Comment by JusticeLover — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 11: 37.30
So China is brutal in Tiananmen, and our PDRM have to rival them in this area? What a childish comparison by Seequa. If we have this kind of thinking, I’m not surprise that our PDRM behave like this…
By the way, anyone knows what it takes to be a police? SPM? PMR? Are they given PAPI test?
Comment by James — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 11: 57.06
The whole thing is far from over:
Identiti wanita dalam video polis masih menjadi misteri
Pegawai terlibat tidak ingat insiden di mana tahanan dipaksa melakukan ketuk-ketampi dalam keadaan bogel
Oleh Leslie Lau
Straits Times
Pegawi penyiasat telah menyemak jadual tugas, menemuramah pegawai-pegawai polis dan ‘zoom’ klip video wanita yang dipaksa melakukan ketuk-ketampi dalam keadaan berbogel di hadapan seorang konstabel wanita.
Tetapi identiti wanita bogel tersebut, dipercayai seorang warga China, masih menjadi misteri.
Para penyiasat yang sedang menyiasat kes yang telah menimbulkan kemarahan orang ramai mengenai prosedur tahanan polis, dan mendapati kesukaran mengenalpasti wanita tersebut atau kewarganegaraannya.
“Konstabel wanita tersebut tidak ingat tarikh insiden tersebut berlaku,” sumber-sumber memberitahu.
Alasan tidak ingat: Dia telah menyaksikan beberapa kejadian yang sama. Ini membuktikan tahanan dikenakan ketuk-ketampi dalam keadaan bogel adalah satu amalan biasa.
Disamping mengimbas imej video tersebut, pegawai penyiasat memeriksa rekod kes dalam cubaan untuk mengenalpasti wanita tersebut.
Langkah utama yang dapat membantu pegawai penyiasat, ialah menghadkan carian mereka kepada kes-kes dadah sahaja kerana yang disyaki dikenakan ketuk-ketampi dalam keadaan bogel adalah tahanan ketika serbuan kerana dadah.
Para penyiasat juga percaya orang yang mengambil video selama 70 saat itu adalah seorang konstabel lain.
Namun, identiti wanita tersebut masih tidak diketahui, polis berkata dia bukan salah seorang daripada tiga warga China yang memberitahu mereka dikenakan layanan yang sama di balai polis yang sama beberapa minggu lalu.
Tiga wanita China tersebut telah membuat kenyataan mereka kepada pasukan penyiasat polis pada Selasa. Mereka telah diiringi peguam mereka. Itu merupakan kali kedua mereka membuat kenyataan kepada polis. Mereka mendakwa pegawai-pegawai polis yang merekod aduan asal mereka bersikap acuh tidak acuh dan tidak mempercayai mereka.
Pada Selasa, tiga wanita tersebut menunjukkan semula pengalaman pahit mereka kepada the badan bertindak yang dianggotai tujuh orang terdiri daripada pegawai dari bangsa Cina. Pegawai-pegawai tersebut menemuramah wanita tersebut – Yu Xuezhen, 35, dan Gu Xiuhua, 40, yang telah berkahwin dengan warga Malaysia, dan Wu Xiaohua, 34, seorang pelajar kursus setiausaha yang tinggal di Malaysia – dalam Mandarin.
Tiga wanita tersebut yang telah ditahan bersama dua warga China yang lain di satu sekatan jalan awal bulan lalu dan dibawa ke balai polis yang berdekatan kerana disyaki memiliki dokumen palsu.
Semua mendakwa wang telah diambil daripada mereka, barang milik peribadi daripada suami juga tidak diserahkan kepada mereka
Sankara Nair, peguam bagi tiga wanita tersebut, bercadang memfail saman terhadap polis.
“Kami sedang menunggu polis selesai siasatan mereka dan mengumpul cukup bukti sebelum memfail saman,” katanya.
Dia memberitahu wartawan bahawa kliennya bercadang mencabar tahanan mereka yang tidak sah dan prosedur membuat pemeriksaan tanpa pakaian yang perlu lakukan ketuk-ketampi dalam keadaan bogel.
Tiga wanita tersebut juga memberitahu pegawai penyiasat bahawa salah seorang mereka telah ditampar dan buah dadanya diramas oleh seorang polis wanita sementara seorang pegawai polis lelaki telah membuat kata-kata lucah.
Bantahan memuncak apabila prosedur pemeriksaan secara bogel digunakan dan telah membuatkan Perdana Menteri Abdullah Badawi mengarahkan diadakan siasatan bebas.
Comment by Bigjoe — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 15: 13.55
Yes, crystal clear what Noh said and yet he claimed he was misqouted and blamed the press. That’s typical of all UMNO/BN politicians. They never admit their wrong doings and never will they apologize willingly and humbly. This deputy minister doesn’t deserve to be in the cabinet in the first place and yet Pak Lah dare not sack him because it’s not UMNO’s culture. And worst of all Pak Lah is a loner. If he sacks Noh the repercussions that follows might be unbearable. It could be the other way round. He might get the sack. See what I mean?
Comment by Ibn Abd Halim — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 15: 50.10
Dear Seequa,
It is people like you that is causing this nation to be still struggling for advancement. Your shallow thinking and low mentality in depriving those who deserves a better nation. Let’s wait until the day you need to deal with PDRM. You will then feel the pinch.
Comment by abubin — Friday, 02-12-2005 @ 18: 39.41
Common noh omar…think first before u speak ok!! wheres ur leadership altitude? dude
Comment by azeem GERAK — Saturday, 03-12-2005 @ 00: 07.46
Yes, Noh, we have to respect the police but what have they done to earn our respect. And respect has to be earned. Yes, they protect us from the illegal immigrants but there are so many cases when they have not.
Comment by bayibhyap — Saturday, 03-12-2005 @ 10: 10.24
From ABC Asia Pacific TV / Radio Australia:
Japanese student accuses Malaysian police of extortion
Two Malaysian police officers have reportedly forced a Japanese student to pay them off after he was found without travel documents.
The New Straits Times says the student who was in Malaysia for an eight-month language course, told the newspaper he was in a taxi when it was pulled over by two police officers.
After explaining he was not carrying his travel documents, they reportedly took him to an ATM and forced him to give his personal identification number to the taxi driver.
The driver then withdrew the equivalent of 530 US dollars and gave it to the police.
Malaysian police are also the subject of an independent inquiry after the alleged humiliation of a Chinese woman detainee, who was forced to perform squats while naked.
Comment by Bigjoe — Saturday, 03-12-2005 @ 22: 00.27
I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read about a Japanese student being robbed off US$530. And this despite the Police Commission Report, the “Saya Anti-Rasuah” campaign and the present uproar on the ear squat incident involving a Chinese national, we still have these morons going about business as usual. Some of our leaders said the black sheep only constitutes about 1% of the police force – so why the big fuss? Don’t they realise that if something is not done and if the public don’t press home the issue, the 1% will become 10%. Do they want to see it at 100% then?! Even if it is 1%, it is already bad as our law enforcement officers are no supposed to be corrupt. But then again, you will get our leaders comparing with other countries who equally have corrupt police forces. We should in fact be comparing with the best and not the worst. So what if the entire world’s police force is corrupt, can’t we stand out and strive to be corrupt-free?
Comment by Billy — Sunday, 04-12-2005 @ 07: 25.02
If the police still persists with their “business as usual” activities, then I can only say that our PDRM is beyond redemption.
Comment by Billy — Sunday, 04-12-2005 @ 07: 28.31
Seequa:
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Should “ordinary detainees” like Makcik Nora be subject to the SOP? It would appear you have already have already “condemned” the girl, in fact, the statement implies ALL detainees regardless of their status, as terrorist or drug offender.
You may like the idea of being stripped and forced to do ear-squat, but the majority will surely think otherwise.
Comment by AdmiralChengHo — Monday, 05-12-2005 @ 08: 35.45
Did anyone caught the first part of this tape? He nearly said that “zaLim macam di Amer.uh,.negara lain”. Incredible the deep prejudice in this man. If he had said what was obvious he was leaning towards, it would have caused an uproar from the US embassy.
Comment by Bigjoe — Monday, 05-12-2005 @ 11: 24.05